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Shades of Grey; Netenyahu Zionism v kibbutzim קִבּוּצִים‬ / קיבוצים‬)

How Britain Provoked Two World Wars and Tries to Make It for The Third Time
https://www.geopolitica.ru/…/how-britain-provoked-two-world…
They say good always wins in the end, but really it's the winners who get to write history. The British ruling elite have always been evil.


C'est l'Anglais qui nous a fait ça! - or How Britain Provoked Two World Wars and Tries to Make It for The Third Time
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"Because of the myth of the "good war" millions have been pointlessly murdered by needless interventionism. Without the Holocaust narrative WWII is nothing but another colonial resource war.
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Kavy Keptson For those of us who know that almost everything that has been told to us is a lie, there's something fishy about not being allowed to discuss the history of isreal. Are they scared we might uncover something. Like any socialist, I'm not a antisemite, I'm very fond of Greg Palast, Stephen Lendmam, and I forget the names of all the other left Jews and anti-Zionist Jews. https://www.opendemocracy.net/.../why-i-am-antizionist-jewManage

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Roger Lewis brent1023 • 4 years ago
This article makes the assumption that there is only one zionism.
It would be a mistake to assume there is only one Jew and to be anti-Jew because of the actions of one person.

It is also possible that deciding to be anti-zionist because you find Netanyahu-zionism appalling is a similar mistake.
How did Netanyahu-zionism - an extreme form of zionism - get to define zionism?
I personally reject Netanyahu-zioinism because in my view it cannot lead to a solution to existing problems in the middle east. It can only make those problems worse and worse.
That does not mean I reject zionism - the zionism of the early years of the state as practised by the few Israelis I knew. My understanding of their vision and their life seemed to me something that could have led to a stable future.
That was pre-wall, pre-extreme settlement policy days.
I am not convinced that Netanyahu-zionism was an inevitable outcome of those days. I could be wrong. I am not sure how anyone could prove that Netanyahu-zionism is the only possible zionism. I certainly don't understand why so many people act as if Netanyahu-zionism is the only possible zionism.

Hi Kevin, in the comments the whole polarity and polarisation alienation of the debate plays out . Over and over the same taunts are rehearsed.

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/.../bourgeoi...

The Comment from Brent1023 is a shot of sanity in a poisoned well of bile.

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.com/.../holocau...
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Shades of Grey; Netenyahu Zionism v kibbutzim קִבּוּצִים‬ / קיבוצים‬)

Kibbutz

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Kibbutz Kfar Masaryk

Kibbutznikiyot (female Kibbutz members), training at Mishmar HaEmek during the 1948 Palestine war
kibbutz (Hebrewקִבּוּץ‬ / קיבוץ‬, lit. "gathering, clustering"; regular plural kibbutzim קִבּוּצִים‬ / קיבוצים‬) is a collective community in Israel that was traditionally based on agriculture. The first kibbutz, established in 1909, was Degania.[1] Today, farming has been partly supplanted by other economic branches, including industrial plants and high-tech enterprises.[2] Kibbutzim began as utopian communities, a combination of socialism and Zionism.[3] In recent decades, some kibbutzim have been privatized and changes have been made in the communal lifestyle. A member of a kibbutz is called a kibbutznik (Hebrewקִבּוּצְנִיק‬ / קיבוצניק‬; plural kibbutznikim or kibbutzniks).
In 2010, there were 270 kibbutzim in Israel. Their factories and farms account for 9% of Israel's industrial output, worth US$8 billion, and 40% of its agricultural output, worth over $1.7 billion.[4] Some kibbutzim had also developed substantial high-tech and military industries. For example, in 2010, Kibbutz Sasa, containing some 200 members, generated $850 million in annual revenue from its military-plastics industry.[5]


Maurice Judge Anti Zionism is not Antisemitism
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Dave Smith This group tweeted that Israel is "A steaming pile of sewage that needs to be disposed of". Wouldn't antisemites agree with this and therefore this comment doesn't help the Jewish community, but just creates more friction? The tweet also comes across that antisemites would view the sewage as the Israeli Jewish populace rather than the Israeli government. Also, if the group wants the state of Israel disposed of, are they saying that the Jews should be dispersed without the bulwark of any sate whatsoever. I'm ignorant on political matters and not religious and not as educated as others. So, if the group sees Israel as a fascist state, what is their solution in going forward. Just interested to know your views and open minded from my part.
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Arlo Levin Most prominent antisemites (Steve Bannon, Donald Trump, Richard Spencer) are Zionists
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Arlo Levin There's a long history of antisemitic Zionism
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brent1023 • 4 years ago

This article makes the assumption that there is only one zionism.
It would be a mistake to assume there is only one Jew and to be anti-Jew because of the actions of one person.
It is also possible that deciding to be anti-zionist because you find Netanyahu-zionism appalling is a similar mistake.
How did Netanyahu-zionism - an extreme form of zionism - get to define zionism?
I personally reject Netanyahu-zioinism because in my view it cannot lead to a solution to existing problems in the middle east. It can only make those problems worse and worse.
That does not mean I reject zionism - the zionism of the early years of the state as practised by the few Israelis I knew. My understanding of their vision and their life seemed to me something that could have led to a stable future.
That was pre-wall, pre-extreme settlement policy days.
I am not convinced that Netanyahu-zionism was an inevitable outcome of those days. I could be wrong. I am not sure how anyone could prove that Netanyahu-zionism is the only possible zionism. I certainly don't understand why so many people act as if Netanyahu-zionism is the only possible zionism.

Hi Kevin, in the comments the whole polarity and polarisation alienation of the debate plays out . Over and over the same taunts are rehearsed.

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/.../bourgeoi...

The Comment from Brent1023 is a shot of sanity in a poisoned well of bile.

http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.com/.../holocau...
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