Friday, 10 March 2017

Is the Green Party of England and Wales Liberal?

Is the Green Party of England and Wales Liberal?

It is a lot of things one of which is incredibly naive. 

Richard Johnson
There's gap in the political market place for a real radical Left alternative and now would be a very good time to start talking about a genuine eco-socialist party because neither the Green Party or the Labour Party qualify.
The Green Party is a radical liberal party that won't touch class politics with a barge pole despite the fact that the elites support and participate in a culture of massive over consumption, politically they support the hydro carbon economy and their militarism is highly destructive. If the Green Party is going to achieve its objectives their power MUST be broken.
The cynical and well orchestrated destruction of Jeremy Corbyn's reputation by the media and the Labour Party political elites proves yet again that the Labour Party is a grave yard for any kind of politics that is not totally safe for the establishment and if, as seems likely, Labour lose the next election we are faced with the total marginalisation of radical progressive politics at a time when the living world needs massive change from our species.
Being in my mid fifties I've seen all this before. Surely there has to be a better way than this constant cycle of defeat for the radical Left? and if we believe that only far reaching revolutionary change is going to stabilise our relationships with ourselves and the rest of the living world then we need to find that way.
Personally I don't believe that today's radical Left are the worthy representatives of a vital body of political ideas. We need much greater self belief and with that confidence will come a capacity for critical introspection. Only the best is good enough for the hugely difficult task of transforming society and we now need to go through a process of development in order find our best form, establishing our own political space is an obvious starting point.
Gav Electrofried to what end?

There's the alliance for green socialism which sounds like what you're after, but they're in no danger of getting anyone elected to anything any time soon.
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Donnachadh McCarthy ROFL are you a troll?
Sure destroy the only effective voice for ecological sanity and the corporations and oiligarchies will love you...
Such a destructive posting. Divide and conquer...
I am with Occupy - the 99% need to unite to tackle the huge destructive power of the 1% and create a 100%.
Even if you were right, in an electoral system that makes it near impossible for the Green Party to get even one MP, such an approach would ensure Brexit Ukip Tories remain in power ad infinitum.
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Steve Jackson The last thing we need is yet another left wing party. Stop whining
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Peter Barlow
Voting is now open for our internal elections. All Left Unity members can elect new national officers, standing…
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Steve Jackson Hah hah
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Neil Wagstaff In the Netherlands, the Green Party there joined forces with other leftist parties and formed Groenlinks (trans. "Green Left"), which is now doing quite well in the Dutch polls. I read the Left Unity 2015 election manifesto and it was almost identical to the GPEW one, so perhaps Left Unity should merge with the Green Party and become Green Left?
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Peter Barlow I left Left Unity to join SGP. For me the key issue then was self-determination for Scotland.
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Peter Barlow The Scottish Greens do address class issues but are careful not to allow their opponents to accuse them of obsessing with spite and 'loony-left' policies.
In order for a Left party to get votes it must find a way to avoid the wrath of the Neoliberal media.
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Geoffrey Barnes Let's create the Peoples Front of Judea whilst were at it.
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Andy Sweeney It is essential that we achieve greater unity and are willing to make compromises if we want to achieve changes fuelled by a green-driven left wing agenda.

This isn't going to happen with even more splintering and the birth of yet another political party. We already have the framework in place in established parties, but we need less partisan attitudes, less intransigence on the minority issues when agreement can be made about the majority.

When you get thousands (if not millions) of people together, coming to a consensus is virtually impossible. The worst thing people can do when the party does not follow their exact agenda is to leave and try to "go it alone" with like minded individuals.

The whole reason the Tory party are so successful, despite all of their dismal failures and environmental/economic shortsightedness, is because they unify under the tribalism of conservatism when it comes down to it.

More left wing parties aren't going to solve this particular problem.
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Stíofán Carthaigh It's the fools gold of Corbyn's Labour, that is the main reason, the bourgeois elements in the Greens are growing in confidence again. The left had control of that party, and then run to Labour. What Corbyn is offering is nationalist Labourism, which is neither green nor left.
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Neil Wagstaff If Green Left were a political party, I'd join that in preference to the Green Party any day! There is a class issue in GPEW, which came to the fore during the referendum. There was no way I could campaign to stay in the neoliberal, capitalist EU, and favoured Jenny Jones's position, not Lucas, nor anyone else. In fact, when I mentioned this on Shahrar Ali's Timeline he deleted my post.
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Bob Waugh A few weeks ago I came across an old copy of "Beyond the Fragments" . Read it the other day. It's an interesting historical document, not least as it springs form the issue feminists faced in their interface with the "revolutionary" (and not so revolut...See More
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Philip Leicester In our political system there are no gaps for any radical political party. The real fight is to secure our democracy before a permanent neoliberal lock-in occurs (and yeah whilst I'm at it, if you think exiting a neoliberal EU, handing total power to the extreme fundamentalist neoliberal Tory/UKIP alliance in the absence of any real democracy has done the British Working Class any favours, Neil then yeah please form another party.)

I don't think the GP is averse to doing class politics; our good intention is reflected in many of our policies, particularly on trade union/workers rights, workplace democracy, pay, taxation and welfare.

The real problem is we're all floundering, even Labour is floundering. We do not know how to listen to the concerns of working people, and no idea how to communicate our politics or argue why the new and old right right have no solutions to their concerns, but we do. And, as far as being of and for the working class we're clearly miles away.

We know that the working class have never acted in isolation; the roles of middle and upper class activists, academics, cultural theorists etc who are allies in the emancipation of the working class is as relevant today as it ever was. Now is not the time to fragment, but to pull together.
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Neil Wagstaff Perhaps, we have a party already in Left Unity? In the Netherlands, the Green Party there joined forces with other leftist parties and formed Groenlinks (trans. "Green Left"), which is now doing quite well in the Dutch polls. I read the Left Unity 2015 election manifesto and it was almost identical to the GPEW one, so perhaps Left Unity should merge with the Green Party and become Green Left?
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Philip Leicester Context is everything; the Netherlands has one of the most proportional election systems in Europe. Which is why I begun "In our political system . . . "

The left has to prioritise democracy. And the left which does not get democracy needs to be flagged up as the obstacle they truly are, including large swathes of the Labour Party.
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Neil Wagstaff Well, Labour isn't a socialist party. But it is a party with socialists in it. Such is the way, too, with GPEW.
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Philip Leicester Agree, but I'm becoming more frustrated with the left; as Richard says many times, "we are losing". But we are not taking seriously the threats to democracy which will set us back decades; remember, the Labour representation committee was established t...See More
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Roger Lewis Bit of a stream of conciousness coming up Agree with the OP but urge praxis and pedagodgy.

This book is intended for normal, mainstream, secular, modern, disaffected and alienated intellectuals; those who are complicit in political correctness (as are all intellectuals) but who are (when not distracted, drugged or dreaming) in a state of despair.
This book will, I hope, help such people to understand their condition, and present the likely choices. It will not help them to save their world (too late for that) but it may help them to save their souls.

Note: Why I use the term Political Correctness, instead of Liberalism or Socialism?
The reasons include:
1. The confusion over what 'liberalism' means - to some a free marketeer, to others a socialist. My definition of political correctness is broad and includes most mainstream conservatives, libertarians and anarchists; who are nowadays all significantly PC.

Thus, the major output of the modern international Mass Media consists of only four categories:
1. Good presented as bad
2. Bad presented as Good
(That is to say simple inversion)
3. Good presented as Good for a bad reason
4. Bad presented as bad for a bad reason
(That is to say explanatory inversion)
These four categories, which can be summarized as either simple or explanatory inversion, account for all sustained and high impact modern major Mass Media stories without any exceptions.

If you look at Carolines members interests donations you will see there is no doubt that the GPEW leadership is deeply Liberal.

I’ve just signed a petition to close the #DarkMoneyLoophole in campaign finance – pls join me … via @38_degrees

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Saw this the other day posted on Green Left I think.

The problem is that Political education and discourse are so poorly communicated. Read Pedagogy of the Oppressed and what will become apparent is Political liberation is a Praxis and not a party. Freedom is something you live and do not something you join.